James Tanner: Trade Proposal: Arizona and Tampa a Great Fit Just for fun, y'all.

big pavement and archers of loaf guy here.

So the thought process "lightning can't sign all of their guys after this season so it is their best shot at winning a cup"

Solution
"Trade half their team to the coyotes for cap relief"

Trade Proposal

Coyotes Trade: Brendan Perlini, Connor Murphy, Antoine Vermette and agree to take back the Salaries of Ryan Callahan and Ben Bishop i($12 million in cap relief) in exchange for Vladimir Namestnikov and Ondrej Palat .
- James_Tanner

In all seriousness, why the hell would Tampa do that ?

Gimme a break

Bishop is an asset, they don't need to pay "extra" in players to "get rid" of him

They'll pay to get rid of Callahan, not in legit talent though

Shouldn't Chayka be calling the teams of long retired players circumventing the cap floor of his non competitive team?

big pavement and archers of loaf guy here.
- kicksave856

Let's be best buddies then!!

So the thought process "lightning can't sign all of their guys after this season so it is their best shot at winning a cup"

Solution
"Trade half their team to the coyotes for cap relief"
- YuenglingJagr

It's not really half their team, it's a goalie they don't need, a negative value winger they don't want.

In all seriousness, why the hell would Tampa do that ?
- prismo

I think it's pretty much explained in detail.

Oh my.

Ben bishop is not a cap dump, Tampa isn't paying anyone to take him off their hands. Hes a multiple time vezina nominee.

C'mon man.

Let's be best buddies then!!
- James Tanner

Gimme a break

Bishop is an asset, they don't need to pay "extra" in players to "get rid" of him

They'll pay to get rid of Callahan, not in legit talent though

Shouldn't Chayka be calling the teams of long retired players circumventing the cap floor of his non competitive team?
- TheGame316

Bishop is an asset, that's why they get three players that they can play in their lineup next year.

But sure, as I said right in the article, it's probably stupid and unrealistic.

The only thing that could have made it even better of a blog would have been adding e5 at the end of the trade proposal......Tanner you are the best brah.

In all seriousness, why the hell would Tampa do that ?
- prismo

After reading the first few comments and thinking about it for a bit, I went back and added a new piece to the Phoenix side of things.

That's how trades work, right?

Hopefully y'all will consider it to be a better trade now.

After reading the first few comments and thinking about it for a bit, I went back and added a new piece to the Phoenix side of things.

That's how trades work, right?

Hopefully y'all will consider it to be a better trade now.
- James_Tanner

A 1st is way too much

Now you have to add Stamkos to the TB side to even it back out

After reading the first few comments and thinking about it for a bit, I went back and added a new piece to the Phoenix side of things.

That's how trades work, right?

Hopefully y'all will consider it to be a better trade now.
- James_Tanner

Slightly more even, but still a bad fit in my books.

I think bishop just doesn't belong in this type of deal. Theres nothing in there I think Tampa would want for bishop, and they're not desperately angling to dump him for nothing. Hes not Joffrey lupul. The first and Murphy, maybe. But vermette borders on cap dump in his own right, and perlini's season was underwhelming at best for someone drafted 12th. That, and bishop isn't exactly a great fit in Arizona, the coyotes definitely aren't positioned for a goaltender of his calibre.

You did mention Tampa had 13 million in cap space, why are they dumping another 12 to trade two players they want the space to sign?

The two teams may be a good fit, but I don't see it being for the players you've lined up...

Callahan and bishop have nmc in there contract don't see them waiving to go to a rebuilding team

I think it's pretty much explained in detail.
- James_Tanner

Bishop is an asset and it would cost Palat and Namestikov to ditch Callahan.

"Bishop not much of an upgrade over Smith" WTF?

you gotta share who your dealer is, this stuff is gold

Good Point that Tampa has to do something, that can't be argued. However Ben bishop could never be considered a cap dump, regardless of whether or not Tampa needs him, and I think your drastically over valuing kucherov. I'm not saying Nikita isn't great, because he is, but I'd be surprised to see him get over 6, 6.5 AAV MAX. The signing of stammer at 8.5 was amazing by Yzerman, for many reasons, but none more so then the precedent it set for the other players on the team. No one on that team can be paid more then him, because he is the captain and best player on the team, according to some, myself not included. Hedman is the best player and I believe he's going to challenge for the Norris for many years (even though Karlsson should win it for the foreseeable future the NHL is mental and disagrees) and his signing shortly after Stammer proved that everyone else will have to take a cut to be a apart of this team.

Ok a couple things you screwed up.

1st, Bishop is not a cap dump. He has one year left on his salary and can easily be moved during the season if not before. If getting rid of him now is an issue, TB can eat some of his salary making him a fine pick up for any team.

2nd, Arizona cannot in any way take on $12M in cash payments for nothing. They took on Datsyuk to hit the floor while not spending the cash. I'm ok with them spending money but they likely don't unless they think they are playoff contenders. While this deal possibly makes them that, it is TOO MUCH cash to pay, it cannot be done.

3rd, Callahan has a full NMC. Doubt he waives. Filppula on the other hand only has a modified NTC, maybe he gets through.

I would probably alter this to something smaller like:

Filppula, Namestnikov

For

Murphy, Vermette

Tampa frees up $5M in cap for the next two years (assuming Namestnikov is signed for Vermette money) while replacing Filppula with a better, cheaper, shorter contract option. They lose in the Murphy for Namestnikov portion but this does give them $5M in cap for Kucherov and Killorn and then for Palat and Drouin next year.

Arizona adds more money but they also add a lot more skill at a young age.

Good Point that Tampa has to do something, that can't be argued. However Ben bishop could never be considered a cap dump, regardless of whether or not Tampa needs him, and I think your drastically over valuing kucherov. I'm not saying Nikita isn't great, because he is, but I'd be surprised to see him get over 6, 6.5 AAV MAX. The signing of stammer at 8.5 was amazing by Yzerman, for many reasons, but none more so then the precedent it set for the other players on the team. No one on that team can be paid more then him, because he is the captain and best player on the team, according to some, myself not included. Hedman is the best player and I believe he's going to challenge for the Norris for many years (even though Karlsson should win it for the foreseeable future the NHL is mental and disagrees) and his signing shortly after Stammer proved that everyone else will have to take a cut to be a apart of this team.
- Turchet

Unless Kucherov takes a shorter bridge-like deal he will get $6.5-7.5M, probably on the lower end but still pretty high. Think a slightly cheaper Tarasenko.

First, Callahan has a full NMC until the final 2 years of his deal when it becomes a M-NTC. No way is he waiving, yes his contract is too high but not much to be done with him.

Second, Palat is part of the core and would be kept over Johnson - Palat is the best 2 way player the Lightning have. Any Bolts fan will tell you this so I doubt he is going anywhere. Johnson goes before him because the Bolts have Namestnikov in the wings.

Third, I would say the Lightning can resign Kucherov (6-6.5), Killorn (4-4.5) and Namestnikov (2) with the 12.9M they currently have for this year - they would lose Nesterov the Dman but that is not a big deal. And this includes keeping Bishop while signing those three until the trade deadline if necessary - no need to make any crazy move.

Fourth, next year will be the time they make a trade such as Filppula or Garrison and possibly 1 of the core say Johnson or Killorn.

It's against the COC to make up fake trades. Delete this blog please mods.

Oh KingGilmour.


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